diff --git a/forge-ai/src/main/java/forge/ai/PlayerControllerAi.java b/forge-ai/src/main/java/forge/ai/PlayerControllerAi.java
index 334fd63fd30..4902eebdcd9 100644
--- a/forge-ai/src/main/java/forge/ai/PlayerControllerAi.java
+++ b/forge-ai/src/main/java/forge/ai/PlayerControllerAi.java
@@ -1029,7 +1029,7 @@ public class PlayerControllerAi extends PlayerController {
                     */
                     if (sa.isMayChooseNewTargets() && !sa.setupTargets()) {
                         if (sa.isSpell()) {
-                            sa.getHostCard().ceaseToExist();
+                            sa.getHostCard().ceaseToExist(false);
                         }
                         continue;
                     }
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/Game.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/Game.java
index 1a3659d3d2d..0527a1e0063 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/Game.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/Game.java
@@ -769,12 +769,19 @@ public class Game {
             p.revealFaceDownCards();
         }
 
-        for(Card c : cards) {
+        for (Card c : cards) {
+            // CR 800.4d if card is controlled by opponent, LTB should trigger
+            if (c.getOwner().equals(p) && c.getController().equals(p)) {
+                c.getCurrentState().clearTriggers();
+            }
+        }
+
+        for (Card c : cards) {
             if (c.getController().equals(p) && (c.isPlane() || c.isPhenomenon())) {
                 planarControllerLost = true;
             }
 
-            if(isMultiplayer) {
+            if (isMultiplayer) {
                 // unattach all "Enchant Player"
                 c.removeAttachedTo(p);
                 if (c.getOwner().equals(p)) {
@@ -783,7 +790,9 @@ public class Game {
                         cc.removeEncodedCard(c);
                         cc.removeRemembered(c);
                     }
-                    c.ceaseToExist();
+                    c.ceaseToExist(false);
+                    // CR 603.2f owner of trigger source lost game
+                    triggerHandler.clearDelayedTrigger(c);
                 } else {
                     // return stolen permanents
                     if (c.getController().equals(p) && c.isInZone(ZoneType.Battlefield)) {
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/card/Card.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/card/Card.java
index 1aaf6a1dba9..2e590f74a3c 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/card/Card.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/card/Card.java
@@ -6756,11 +6756,15 @@ public class Card extends GameEntity implements Comparable<Card>, IHasSVars {
         }
     }
 
-    public void ceaseToExist() {
-        getGame().getTriggerHandler().suppressMode(TriggerType.ChangesZone);
-        getZone().remove(this);
-        setZone(null);
-        getGame().getTriggerHandler().clearSuppression(TriggerType.ChangesZone);
+    public void ceaseToExist(boolean skipTrig) {
+        // CR 603.6c other players LTB triggers should work
+        if (skipTrig) {
+            getZone().remove(this);
+            setZone(getOwner().getZone(ZoneType.None));
+        }
+        else {
+            game.getAction().moveTo(ZoneType.None, this, null);
+        }
     }
 
     public void forceTurnFaceUp() {
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/player/Player.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/player/Player.java
index b5dd3af1353..bc8f479f3ef 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/player/Player.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/player/Player.java
@@ -133,7 +133,7 @@ import forge.util.collect.FCollectionView;
 public class Player extends GameEntity implements Comparable<Player> {
     public static final List<ZoneType> ALL_ZONES = Collections.unmodifiableList(Arrays.asList(ZoneType.Battlefield,
             ZoneType.Library, ZoneType.Graveyard, ZoneType.Hand, ZoneType.Exile, ZoneType.Command, ZoneType.Ante,
-            ZoneType.Sideboard, ZoneType.PlanarDeck, ZoneType.SchemeDeck, ZoneType.Merged, ZoneType.Subgame));
+            ZoneType.Sideboard, ZoneType.PlanarDeck, ZoneType.SchemeDeck, ZoneType.Merged, ZoneType.Subgame, ZoneType.None));
 
     private final Map<Card, Integer> commanderDamage = Maps.newHashMap();
 
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/spellability/SpellAbility.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/spellability/SpellAbility.java
index 6245c3fe132..145c9fe8413 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/spellability/SpellAbility.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/spellability/SpellAbility.java
@@ -2361,7 +2361,7 @@ public abstract class SpellAbility extends CardTraitBase implements ISpellAbilit
 
     public void rollback() {
         for (Card c : rollbackEffects) {
-            c.ceaseToExist();
+            c.ceaseToExist(true);
         }
         rollbackEffects.clear();
     }
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/trigger/TriggerHandler.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/trigger/TriggerHandler.java
index 7ddf5b28cff..656829d12b1 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/trigger/TriggerHandler.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/trigger/TriggerHandler.java
@@ -631,13 +631,12 @@ public class TriggerHandler {
     }
 
     public void onPlayerLost(Player p) {
-        List<Trigger> lost = new ArrayList<>();
-        for (Trigger t : delayedTriggers) {
-            // CR 603.2f owner of trigger source lost game || 800.4d trigger controller lost game
-            if (game.getCardState(t.getHostCard(), null) == null || t.getHostCard().getOwner().equals(p)) {
-                lost.add(t);
+        List<Trigger> lost = new ArrayList<>(delayedTriggers);
+        for (Trigger t : lost) {
+            // CR 800.4d trigger controller lost game
+            if (t.getHostCard().getOwner().equals(p)) {
+                delayedTriggers.remove(t);
             }
         }
-        delayedTriggers.removeAll(lost);
     }
 }
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/zone/MagicStack.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/zone/MagicStack.java
index 0c0e5ea7500..434d854065a 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/zone/MagicStack.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/zone/MagicStack.java
@@ -586,7 +586,7 @@ public class MagicStack /* extends MyObservable */ implements Iterable<SpellAbil
         }
 
         if (source.isCopiedSpell() && source.isInZone(ZoneType.Stack)) {
-            source.ceaseToExist();
+            source.ceaseToExist(true);
             return;
         }
 
diff --git a/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java b/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
index d960a62ceab..4f3a281b334 100644
--- a/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
+++ b/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
@@ -2841,7 +2841,7 @@ public class PlayerControllerHuman extends PlayerController implements IGameCont
                     continue;
                 }
                 c.getZone().remove(c);
-                c.ceaseToExist();
+                c.ceaseToExist(true);
 
                 StringBuilder sb = new StringBuilder();
                 sb.append(p).append(" removes ").append(c).append(" from game due to Dev Cheats.");