diff --git a/forge-ai/src/main/java/forge/ai/PlayerControllerAi.java b/forge-ai/src/main/java/forge/ai/PlayerControllerAi.java
index 334fd63fd30..4902eebdcd9 100644
--- a/forge-ai/src/main/java/forge/ai/PlayerControllerAi.java
+++ b/forge-ai/src/main/java/forge/ai/PlayerControllerAi.java
@@ -1029,7 +1029,7 @@ public class PlayerControllerAi extends PlayerController {
                     */
                     if (sa.isMayChooseNewTargets() && !sa.setupTargets()) {
                         if (sa.isSpell()) {
-                            sa.getHostCard().ceaseToExist();
+                            sa.getHostCard().ceaseToExist(false);
                         }
                         continue;
                     }
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/Game.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/Game.java
index 1a3659d3d2d..527d7ee523d 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/Game.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/Game.java
@@ -783,7 +783,7 @@ public class Game {
                         cc.removeEncodedCard(c);
                         cc.removeRemembered(c);
                     }
-                    c.ceaseToExist();
+                    c.ceaseToExist(false);
                 } else {
                     // return stolen permanents
                     if (c.getController().equals(p) && c.isInZone(ZoneType.Battlefield)) {
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/card/Card.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/card/Card.java
index 1aaf6a1dba9..63de2504845 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/card/Card.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/card/Card.java
@@ -6756,11 +6756,15 @@ public class Card extends GameEntity implements Comparable<Card>, IHasSVars {
         }
     }
 
-    public void ceaseToExist() {
-        getGame().getTriggerHandler().suppressMode(TriggerType.ChangesZone);
-        getZone().remove(this);
-        setZone(null);
-        getGame().getTriggerHandler().clearSuppression(TriggerType.ChangesZone);
+    public void ceaseToExist(boolean skipTrig) {
+        // CR 800.4d if card is controlled by opponent, LTB should trigger
+        if (skipTrig && getOwner().equals(getController())) {
+            getGame().getTriggerHandler().suppressMode(TriggerType.ChangesZone);
+        }
+        game.getAction().moveTo(ZoneType.None, this, null);
+        if (skipTrig && getOwner().equals(getController())) {
+            getGame().getTriggerHandler().clearSuppression(TriggerType.ChangesZone);
+        }
     }
 
     public void forceTurnFaceUp() {
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/player/Player.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/player/Player.java
index b5dd3af1353..bc8f479f3ef 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/player/Player.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/player/Player.java
@@ -133,7 +133,7 @@ import forge.util.collect.FCollectionView;
 public class Player extends GameEntity implements Comparable<Player> {
     public static final List<ZoneType> ALL_ZONES = Collections.unmodifiableList(Arrays.asList(ZoneType.Battlefield,
             ZoneType.Library, ZoneType.Graveyard, ZoneType.Hand, ZoneType.Exile, ZoneType.Command, ZoneType.Ante,
-            ZoneType.Sideboard, ZoneType.PlanarDeck, ZoneType.SchemeDeck, ZoneType.Merged, ZoneType.Subgame));
+            ZoneType.Sideboard, ZoneType.PlanarDeck, ZoneType.SchemeDeck, ZoneType.Merged, ZoneType.Subgame, ZoneType.None));
 
     private final Map<Card, Integer> commanderDamage = Maps.newHashMap();
 
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/spellability/SpellAbility.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/spellability/SpellAbility.java
index 6245c3fe132..145c9fe8413 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/spellability/SpellAbility.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/spellability/SpellAbility.java
@@ -2361,7 +2361,7 @@ public abstract class SpellAbility extends CardTraitBase implements ISpellAbilit
 
     public void rollback() {
         for (Card c : rollbackEffects) {
-            c.ceaseToExist();
+            c.ceaseToExist(true);
         }
         rollbackEffects.clear();
     }
diff --git a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/zone/MagicStack.java b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/zone/MagicStack.java
index 0c0e5ea7500..434d854065a 100644
--- a/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/zone/MagicStack.java
+++ b/forge-game/src/main/java/forge/game/zone/MagicStack.java
@@ -586,7 +586,7 @@ public class MagicStack /* extends MyObservable */ implements Iterable<SpellAbil
         }
 
         if (source.isCopiedSpell() && source.isInZone(ZoneType.Stack)) {
-            source.ceaseToExist();
+            source.ceaseToExist(true);
             return;
         }
 
diff --git a/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java b/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
index b425ebb3112..54072d23332 100644
--- a/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
+++ b/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
@@ -2838,7 +2838,7 @@ public class PlayerControllerHuman extends PlayerController implements IGameCont
                     continue;
                 }
                 c.getZone().remove(c);
-                c.ceaseToExist();
+                c.ceaseToExist(true);
 
                 StringBuilder sb = new StringBuilder();
                 sb.append(p).append(" removes ").append(c).append(" from game due to Dev Cheats.");