diff --git a/forge-gui-desktop/src/main/java/forge/screens/match/controllers/CDev.java b/forge-gui-desktop/src/main/java/forge/screens/match/controllers/CDev.java
index 1f7c25086c7..e6e305ed157 100644
--- a/forge-gui-desktop/src/main/java/forge/screens/match/controllers/CDev.java
+++ b/forge-gui-desktop/src/main/java/forge/screens/match/controllers/CDev.java
@@ -42,7 +42,8 @@ public final class CDev implements ICDoc {
         view.getLblCardToExile().addMouseListener(madCardToExile);
         view.getLblCastSpell().addMouseListener(madCastASpell);
         view.getLblRepeatAddCard().addMouseListener(madRepeatAddCard);
-        view.getLblCounterPermanent().addMouseListener(madCounter);
+        view.getLblAddCounterPermanent().addMouseListener(madAddCounter);
+        view.getLblSubCounterPermanent().addMouseListener(madSubCounter);
         view.getLblTapPermanent().addMouseListener(madTap);
         view.getLblUntapPermanent().addMouseListener(madUntap);
         view.getLblSetLife().addMouseListener(madLife);
@@ -198,7 +199,7 @@ public final class CDev implements ICDoc {
         getController().cheat().exileCardsFromHand();;
     }
 
-    private final MouseListener madCounter = new MouseAdapter() {
+    private final MouseListener madAddCounter = new MouseAdapter() {
         @Override
         public void mousePressed(final MouseEvent e) {
             addCounterToPermanent();
@@ -208,6 +209,16 @@ public final class CDev implements ICDoc {
         getController().cheat().addCountersToPermanent();
     }
 
+    private final MouseListener madSubCounter = new MouseAdapter() {
+        @Override
+        public void mousePressed(final MouseEvent e) {
+            removeCountersFromPermanent();
+        }
+    };
+    public void removeCountersFromPermanent() {
+        getController().cheat().removeCountersFromPermanent();
+    }
+
     private final MouseListener madTap = new MouseAdapter() {
         @Override
         public void mousePressed(final MouseEvent e) {
diff --git a/forge-gui-desktop/src/main/java/forge/screens/match/views/VDev.java b/forge-gui-desktop/src/main/java/forge/screens/match/views/VDev.java
index 70678c3d7f9..7f2096bf123 100644
--- a/forge-gui-desktop/src/main/java/forge/screens/match/views/VDev.java
+++ b/forge-gui-desktop/src/main/java/forge/screens/match/views/VDev.java
@@ -60,7 +60,8 @@ public class VDev implements IVDoc<CDev>, IDevListener {
     private final DevLabel lblSetupGame = new DevLabel("Setup Game State");
     private final DevLabel lblDumpGame = new DevLabel("Dump Game State");
     private final DevLabel lblTutor = new DevLabel("Tutor for Card");
-    private final DevLabel lblCounterPermanent = new DevLabel("Add Counters to Permanent");
+    private final DevLabel lblAddCounterPermanent = new DevLabel("Add Counters to Card");
+    private final DevLabel lblSubCounterPermanent = new DevLabel("Sub Counters from Card");
     private final DevLabel lblTapPermanent = new DevLabel("Tap Permanents");
     private final DevLabel lblUntapPermanent = new DevLabel("Untap Permanents");
     private final DevLabel lblSetLife = new DevLabel("Set Player Life");
@@ -106,7 +107,8 @@ public class VDev implements IVDoc<CDev>, IDevListener {
         viewport.add(this.lblExileFromPlay, halfConstraints);
         viewport.add(this.lblSetLife, halfConstraintsLeft);
         viewport.add(this.lblWinGame, halfConstraints);
-        viewport.add(this.lblCounterPermanent, constraints);
+        viewport.add(this.lblAddCounterPermanent, halfConstraintsLeft);
+        viewport.add(this.lblSubCounterPermanent, halfConstraints);
         viewport.add(this.lblSetupGame, halfConstraintsLeft);
         viewport.add(this.lblDumpGame, halfConstraints);
         viewport.add(this.lblTapPermanent, halfConstraintsLeft);
@@ -244,8 +246,13 @@ public class VDev implements IVDoc<CDev>, IDevListener {
     }
 
     /** @return {@link forge.screens.match.views.VDev.DevLabel} */
-    public DevLabel getLblCounterPermanent() {
-        return this.lblCounterPermanent;
+    public DevLabel getLblAddCounterPermanent() {
+        return this.lblAddCounterPermanent;
+    }
+
+    /** @return {@link forge.screens.match.views.VDev.DevLabel} */
+    public DevLabel getLblSubCounterPermanent() {
+        return this.lblSubCounterPermanent;
     }
 
     /** @return {@link forge.screens.match.views.VDev.DevLabel} */
diff --git a/forge-gui-mobile/src/forge/screens/match/views/VDevMenu.java b/forge-gui-mobile/src/forge/screens/match/views/VDevMenu.java
index d8741f9a9d1..60617edfaa5 100644
--- a/forge-gui-mobile/src/forge/screens/match/views/VDevMenu.java
+++ b/forge-gui-mobile/src/forge/screens/match/views/VDevMenu.java
@@ -204,7 +204,7 @@ public class VDevMenu extends FDropDownMenu {
                 MatchController.instance.getGameController().cheat().setViewAllCards(!viewAll);
             }
         }));
-        addItem(new FMenuItem("Add Counters to Permanent", new FEventHandler() {
+        addItem(new FMenuItem("Add Counters to Card", new FEventHandler() {
             @Override
             public void handleEvent(FEvent e) {
                 ThreadUtil.invokeInGameThread(new Runnable() {
@@ -215,6 +215,17 @@ public class VDevMenu extends FDropDownMenu {
                 });
             }
         }));
+        addItem(new FMenuItem("Sub Counters from Card", new FEventHandler() {
+            @Override
+            public void handleEvent(FEvent e) {
+                ThreadUtil.invokeInGameThread(new Runnable() {
+                    @Override
+                    public void run() {
+                        MatchController.instance.getGameController().cheat().removeCountersFromPermanent();
+                    }
+                });
+            }
+        }));
         addItem(new FMenuItem("Tap Permanents", new FEventHandler() {
             @Override
             public void handleEvent(FEvent e) {
diff --git a/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/interfaces/IDevModeCheats.java b/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/interfaces/IDevModeCheats.java
index 857e908654f..43d36633c6d 100644
--- a/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/interfaces/IDevModeCheats.java
+++ b/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/interfaces/IDevModeCheats.java
@@ -16,6 +16,8 @@ public interface IDevModeCheats {
 
     void addCountersToPermanent();
 
+    void removeCountersFromPermanent();
+
     void tapPermanents();
 
     void untapPermanents();
@@ -100,6 +102,9 @@ public interface IDevModeCheats {
         public void addCountersToPermanent() {
         }
         @Override
+        public void removeCountersFromPermanent() {
+        }
+        @Override
         public void addCardToHand() {
         }
         @Override
diff --git a/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java b/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
index b58c0e1eaae..d59cb1de537 100644
--- a/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
+++ b/forge-gui/src/main/java/forge/player/PlayerControllerHuman.java
@@ -2046,9 +2046,24 @@ public class PlayerControllerHuman extends PlayerController implements IGameCont
          */
         @Override
         public void addCountersToPermanent() {
+            modifyCountersOnPermanent(false);
+        }
+
+        /*
+         * (non-Javadoc)
+         *
+         * @see forge.player.IDevModeCheats#addCountersToPermanent()
+         */
+        @Override
+        public void removeCountersFromPermanent() {
+            modifyCountersOnPermanent(true);
+        }
+
+        public void modifyCountersOnPermanent(boolean subtract) {
+            final String titleMsg = subtract ? "Remove counters from which card?" : "Add counters to which card?";
             final CardCollectionView cards = game.getCardsIn(ZoneType.Battlefield);
             final Card card = game
-                    .getCard(getGui().oneOrNone("Add counters to which card?", CardView.getCollection(cards)));
+                    .getCard(getGui().oneOrNone(titleMsg, CardView.getCollection(cards)));
             if (card == null) {
                 return;
             }
@@ -2063,7 +2078,12 @@ public class PlayerControllerHuman extends PlayerController implements IGameCont
                 return;
             }
 
-            card.addCounter(counter, count, card, false);
+            if (subtract) {
+                card.subtractCounter(counter, count);
+            } else {
+                card.addCounter(counter, count, card, false);
+            }
+
         }
 
         /*